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KEMP ORAL HISTORY ARCHIVE

Welcome to the Jack Kemp Oral History Archive, an original collection of spoken recollections and reflections that illuminate Jack Kemp’s public life, his vocation, the ideas central to his commitment to public service, and the political world in which he moved.

 

In the space of four years, Mort Kondracke (lead interviewer) and Brien Williams (Kemp Oral History Project historian) interviewed over a hundred people who were central to Jack Kemp’s  life and career.  Our goal was to enable future generations to learn about the American democracy of our time directly from those entrusted with its governance.  Along the way, we gathered some fascinating insights about our country’s recent past, including Presidential politics, competition on the playing field and in the halls of Congress, and the power of ideas.

 

As Jack said time and again, “history matters.”  We hope that these wide-ranging personal experiences, judgments, and lessons learned will also serve as a resource for  carrying on the cause about which he cared so much:  the American Idea.

 

We are indebted to the support we received from the Conrad Hilton Foundation, the guidance provided by the Miller Center at the University of Virginia, and the generous contributions of the men and women listed below who graciously consented to be interviewed.

 

Michelle Van Cleave
Kemp Legacy Program Director

Raul Fernandez

“I always think of something I heard him say at many points in our relationship, and our relationship was one where I was an intern, where I was a staffer, where then I went off and started my company and he joined my boards… But there is always one line which I try to remember all the time in business and in life, and that is being worthy of winning. Winning, not necessarily at all costs, not just for the outcome, but being worthy of being a winner and what that meant. He really did live that completely.”

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Richard Ahearn

“I said, ‘Politically you just can’t do this, Jack. You’re going to alienate every Republican voter in every border state there is, California, Texas, Louisiana, Florida, everywhere illegal immigration is an issue.’ It got to the point where he threw me out of his suite, which he regularly did, but then the next day or a few hours later we’d talk it over and he’d laugh and I’d laugh, and we’d patch everything up.”

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Richard Billmire

“The way the Kemp office worked,…a lot of times there’d be, as I always used to joke, 832 people in the room, and at times you’d go, “Oh my God, how does anything ever get done?” And he would bring everybody in, he would. It was not well managed. But what happened is then, I’ve always thought, there were no secrets. …it was all wide-open.”

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Richard Rahn

“I went down and I thought Jack gave a dynamite speech. Afterwards, people introduced us and we started talking. He realized I was a young economist and he said, “Did I get it right?”

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Rick Azar

“Got a call from Dr. Bernstein and said, “How would you like to have lunch with Jack Kemp?” Dr. Bernstein was taking care of him. So he drags me out to Niagara Falls because they were at Niagara at training camp, and that’s how I met Jack Kemp. We became good friends, which at the time there was a whole metamorphosis in the sports business.”

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Robert Kasten

“When I came to the House in ’74, Bill [Steiger] and Jack were already talking and working on things like reducing the capital gains tax. I joined into that debate, and from that point Jack and I became friends and co-sponsored each other’s legislations and bills.”

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Russ Gugino

“Well, I remember the first time that I met him. It was a Farewell to Football event. He’d decided to run for Congress, but he hadn’t declared yet… It was an event at the Heartstone Manor in Cheektowaga, a very Democratic town, but a very big banquet hall. They had a bunch of people there, former football players, some people that you may have met. Paul Maguire was there. Lou Saban, the former coach; Daryle Lamonica; “Cookie” Gilchrist; a number of them. Everyone had wonderful things to say about him, about how he was more involved in politics, it seemed to be, than football sometimes.”

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Russell Ray

“We first met in a homeroom at Bancroft Junior High School in the east part of Hollywood, California. Our mothers were very outgoing, very active, very bright, both of them, very forthright in their views, and they had a common bond… We went to Fairfax High School, which in itself has some interesting points, Fairfax being at the corner of Melrose and Fairfax, in Hollywood.”

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Rusty Paul

“I had first met Jack at a Newt Gingrich fundraiser in Atlanta, and it was a transformational experience. You’ve heard all the conversation about inspiration, and it was beyond that. It was almost a religious transformation for me, because as a young, aspiring politician, Republicans were kind of against everything when I was starting out. I was wondering why I wanted to become a politician if I was always going to be opposing things. Jack was the first Republican that gave me a positive reason to engage in government, and it truly was transformational.”

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Scott Reed

“[His] not wanting to read a thoughtful speech that strategically was important to his campaign, and almost disregard it, to me showed a lack of discipline, but at the same time, when the plane would land in Ames, Iowa, or wherever we were campaigning that day, he would get off the plane rested, thoughtful, ready to go. I’d brief him on why we were doing what we were doing, why it was important, and he would go and perform at an exceptionally high level nine out of 10 times.”

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