
KEMP ORAL HISTORY ARCHIVE
Welcome to the Jack Kemp Oral History Archive, an original collection of spoken recollections and reflections that illuminate Jack Kemp’s public life, his vocation, the ideas central to his commitment to public service, and the political world in which he moved.
In the space of four years, Mort Kondracke (lead interviewer) and Brien Williams (Kemp Oral History Project historian) interviewed over a hundred people who were central to Jack Kemp’s life and career. Our goal was to enable future generations to learn about the American democracy of our time directly from those entrusted with its governance. Along the way, we gathered some fascinating insights about our country’s recent past, including Presidential politics, competition on the playing field and in the halls of Congress, and the power of ideas.
As Jack said time and again, “history matters.” We hope that these wide-ranging personal experiences, judgments, and lessons learned will also serve as a resource for carrying on the cause about which he cared so much: the American Idea.
We are indebted to the support we received from the Conrad Hilton Foundation, the guidance provided by the Miller Center at the University of Virginia, and the generous contributions of the men and women listed below who graciously consented to be interviewed.
Michelle Van Cleave
Kemp Legacy Program Director
David Obey
“He was conservative, and conservatives according to stereotype, are supposed to be duller, but Jack was not. He was ever the optimist. Maybe that comes from being a quarterback in the NFL, I don’t know. But I think it was the upbeat feeling that he gave to the practice of politics.”
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David Stockman
“He had a fervent agenda. Not all of it was right; a lot of it was. And that’s pretty unique, because it’s hard not to be cynical about American politics as it’s evolved over the decades, and there are few people that were as agenda-driven, as idea-driven, that had all of the combination of talents, energy, charisma, oratorical skills, and so forth that Jack had.”
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Dick Cheney
"In the George H.W. Bush administration,“ the standing joke on Jack always was, he had his own foreign policy. He had a broad enough range of interests that I didn’t really hear from him much on defense. I remember he and Baker, Jim Baker, getting into it over who was running foreign policy.”
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Dick Kemp
“He was my coach; he was my mentor; he was my teacher.”
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Ed Brady
“So 25-year-old Ed Brady got to play tennis with him… I’m kind of nonchalant, because I don’t know if I’m supposed to try to beat him, or not beat him, you know, am I going to get back on the plane with him or not? Well I hit a drop shot, and he’s at the baseline, and he goes flying across the court, and takes a dive, and skins his forehead, his shoulder. He makes the shot and he wins the point. I turned around thinking, ‘What the hell’s going on here?’”
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Ed Feulner
“My first meeting with him I’ll never forget. I went in, his whole desk was full of a stack of newspaper clips, or whole pages just kind of folded over with something marked and some correspondence, I suppose, for Tilly Smith who didn’t get her Social Security check in Buffalo, New York, in the middle, and he had two books on his desk. One was the Bible to keep his moral compass straight, and the other was F.A. Hayek’s Constitution of Liberty, to keep his economic thinking straight. And I thought, ‘Man, this is a guy I can work with.’”
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Ed Meese
“The first that I heard about Jack Kemp was when I first met him, which was in the summer of 1967. It was prior to the start of the football season and he volunteered to become an intern for then Governor Reagan.”
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Ed Rutkowski
“So when I came to Buffalo, I had never met a Republican until I met Jack and we started talking politics, and what he was talking about I certainly agreed with. He said, ‘You’re not a Democrat; you’re a Republican.’ I said, ‘I realize that.” He said somewhere along the line he was going to get involved in politics after football and he wanted me to help him. In fact, when he retired, I happened to retire at the same time, I ran his campaign.”
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Ernie Warlick
“I’m very pleased that Jack came to the Bills, because he could really fire that ball, and, fortunately, I had a big hand, so I could catch it. I think playing with him helped me stabilize my career with the Bills.”
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Frank Cannon
“[I]t was pretty standard at that point that you’d have a political action committee foundation and whatever office you held, and each of those would work on various aspects of creating a profile for a national figure, allow them to participate in elections around the country, allow them to produce books, make trips … I was deputy director of the political action committee, I guess, starting in ’86, with the intention that Jack would run.”
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