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KEMP ORAL HISTORY ARCHIVE

Welcome to the Jack Kemp Oral History Archive, an original collection of spoken recollections and reflections that illuminate Jack Kemp’s public life, his vocation, the ideas central to his commitment to public service, and the political world in which he moved.

 

In the space of four years, Mort Kondracke (lead interviewer) and Brien Williams (Kemp Oral History Project historian) interviewed over a hundred people who were central to Jack Kemp’s  life and career.  Our goal was to enable future generations to learn about the American democracy of our time directly from those entrusted with its governance.  Along the way, we gathered some fascinating insights about our country’s recent past, including Presidential politics, competition on the playing field and in the halls of Congress, and the power of ideas.

 

As Jack said time and again, “history matters.”  We hope that these wide-ranging personal experiences, judgments, and lessons learned will also serve as a resource for  carrying on the cause about which he cared so much:  the American Idea.

 

We are indebted to the support we received from the Conrad Hilton Foundation, the guidance provided by the Miller Center at the University of Virginia, and the generous contributions of the men and women listed below who graciously consented to be interviewed.

 

Michelle Van Cleave
Kemp Legacy Program Director

Bill Paxon

“That campaign in 1970 in Williamsville, New York, at the campaign headquarters. We all went over there to volunteer. Everybody in the world wanted to work in the Republican side on Jack Kemp’s campaign. Everybody was exciting.”

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Bill Schneider

“President Reagan ultimately saying rhetorically to Gorbachev to ‘Take down this wall’ was an illustration of the notion that we should not accept the permanent division of Europe and the U.S. foreign policies that were obliged to respect that division. I think Jack was an important player in the run-up to what ultimately became a policy commitment during the Reagan administration not to accept the division of Europe, and, indeed, in areas that I had a small part in when I served in the government, to begin to attack Soviet power and its extremities in Nicaragua and Afghanistan and Africa.”

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Billy Shaw

“I’m often asked about Jack, and I have to answer that Jack was probably one of the more intelligent people that I’d ever been around. Doesn’t matter what we were talking about or where we were going with that conversation, but you knew immediately that Jack had some special gifts when it came to the intelligent side of our character.”

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Bob Dole

“Well, I think it was pretty matter-of-fact, you know, that it’s getting time for the Convention. I thought we should have announced early, because we were grasping for straws on how we can pick up some more states, and there were quite a few in play that we lost by fairly close margins. And that’s where I thought Jack, kind of a utility guy, I don’t think he ever had an enemy. He was always full of pep and full of vigor, patting you on the back. He was strong. And I think he did do that in some states.”

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Bob Garcia

“I was eulogizing [Muños Marín] on the floor by trying to get this resolution passed and Jack jumps up and starts to carry on. And my immediate reaction, Where is he coming from? But as he went on and on, he obviously knew a great deal, read a great deal about Muños Marín. … I said, Wow. So after it was all over, either I walked over to him or he walked over to me. But I thanked him because I thought he was right on in terms of what he said … especially about the creation of jobs in Puerto Rico: the tax incentives that became available to bring manufacturers onto the island.”

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Bob Livingston

“I got to know him on a personal basis because of his efforts and Ronald Reagan’s landslide in 1980. I got transferred, unwillingly at first, to the Appropriations Committee, and worked with Jack during those formative years of my career on Appropriations, on the same subcommittees, particularly Foreign Operations.”

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Bob McCarthy

“I think I met Jack Kemp in a different kind of circumstance from this distinguished group, who has always been involved in politics. I started to meet him as a reporter, and it was before I worked in Buffalo.”

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Bob Walker

“I believe that there is growth economics at the base of most of the discussion in the Republican Party this year. I believe that there’s also a belief in a U.S. presence in the world that is a positive presence. And I think that’s a legacy that Jack Kemp has.”

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Bob Woodson

“I said to Jack, I said ‘Jack, do me a favor. When you’re ready to go to these cities, do not get off the plane and go downtown and speak to Rotary. You get off the plane and you go to public housing first, and then you invite the mayors and the governors to join you, because those liberal governors may have never been to public housing.’”

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Booker T Edgerson

“I remember talking to Jack, not knowing Jack at any point. To me, at that time, he started talking with his proper talk and everything, that he came from California, went to Occidental and all those things. And I’m saying, ‘What is this guy coming from?’ Because he was so proper and pompous, and I said, ‘How can he quarterback us to any kind of wins? And why did Lou Saban pick this guy off the waiver wire?’”

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